Mole
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Hiya Help PleaseHiya, Im looking at joining up after university I play Snare Drum and i am learning the bugle.
Though my main instrument is electric guitar, can i audition with this??
If you audition as a Bugler/Drummer is being able to march with the drum a pre-requirement??
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townsergeant
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Re: Hiya Help Please | Mole wrote: | Hiya, Im looking at joining up after university I play Snare Drum and i am learning the bugle.
Though my main instrument is electric guitar, can i audition with this??
If you audition as a Bugler/Drummer is being able to march with the drum a pre-requirement?? |
Answers on a postcard?
Seriously, the 'Corps of Drums' members of this Forum will be willing to answer your questions, I'm sure. 
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sticky blue
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Hi Mole, Have a word with Deli (Admin) he will advise you best 
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Wee Mac
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A Bugler with a Uni Degree, that would be something.
Good luck, whatever you do!
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Mole
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Is it unusual for a Bugler to have a music related degree then??
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Wee Mac
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Probably not, these days?
I left 15 years ago and the only degrees Buglers had then, was in Sunburn. 
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Mole
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Well degree or no degree there would be nothing better than to march in the front 2 ranks of a RM band with a drum by side and sticks in my hand.
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Wee Mac
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Well Mole, if that's what you want, go for it and good luck.
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Bilvers
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| Quote: | Mole Wrote
Well degree or no degree there would be nothing better than to march in the front 2 ranks of a RM band with a drum by side and sticks in my hand.
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Sounds like Bugler to me folks 
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Mole
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out of curiosity how hard is it to get promotion as a Bugler?
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Wee Mac
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Admin or a serving Bugler would be able to give you a good idea. The highest rank achievable as a Bugler, is Warrant Officer 1st class
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Mole
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but isnt there onli like one or 2 in the corps lol
To be honest being a bugler would be enough for me but if i was real lucky i would love to be C/Sgt
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admin
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| Mole wrote: | but isnt there onli like one or 2 in the corps lol
To be honest being a bugler would be enough for me but if i was real lucky i would love to be C/Sgt |
1xWO1
2xWO2
4xCSgt Bugs and not sure of the rest of the rank structure for the rest of the branch as it is evolving.
No, you don't need to be able to march but you have to have the potential to be trained to march. Stick work... don't worry, you'll be taught it
Bugling... you need to have potential to be trained but start practicing now as it is better to have some ability.
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Mole
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is that 4 C/Sgt in the whole drum corps??
also can i audition with electric guitar?
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RAB
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| Mole wrote: | is that 4 C/Sgt in the whole drum corps??
also can i audition with electric guitar? |
Sorry to be the one to do this... 
But for someone who is studying for a Uni degree to ask such a question..???
Is this a wind up..???
We do get some fishermen from time to time, but they usually hook themselves early...
I won't stop giggling tonight at the thought of following behind some 'just out of training' Eric Clapton soundalike busking to the chords of Black Bear etc. with some poor undertrained bulger lugging his amp, speaker and (required) generator at his side...
But if you're serious young 'person', follow the sound advice you'll find on here...
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Mole
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Im actually quite insulted by that since people audition with violin and yet that is not in the marching band. So it seems a fair question.
Also the other band services allow you to audition with a guitar and teach you another instrument.
As for the eric clapton sound alike i will thank you to remember that Guitarists are real musicians and we are not all hippies that sit around playing 3 chords or churning out pentatonic blues till the cows come home.
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Hornblower
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| Mole wrote: | | Im actually quite insulted by that... |
He is a very insulting person Mole - well spotted. He gets us all at some point or another.  
You can audition on anything that they (The RMBS) consider a mianstream instrument and yes, they will audition someone on violin, but only so that they have some idea how to plan for the future instumentation, i.e. Cornet players may be good enough to become 'solo' but those that (merely?) show potential on the instrument will have to play another such as piano or violin or maybe even viola (perish the thought - shiver)
It must be remembered that the principal objective is to retain a high professionalism in what they do best, i.e. marching and playing brilliant music.
I don't know whether they'd audition you on guitar, but you can be sure that keeness - though desirable or even essential - will only come second to ability or potential ability.
So, as my good friend RAB says, follow the sound advice in here and give yourself an edge.
Oh, one more thing - learn to be a bit more humble and take the stick that's thrown at you, that will also set you in good stead. No one likes a smart ar$e in the Royal Corps. If you find that insulting - forget the whole thing and gig for a living.
Good luck!!
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admin
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Mole, you need to do a little research (which you are trying to do here) and look into the difference between the Corps of Drums and the Musician. IF you audition for the Corps of Drums as a Bugler you will be expected to play the drum, bugle and Eb Trumpet. If you are in the COD and in a concert you will be doing drum beatings and the marches with the COD. There isn't a musical category of Drum, Bugle, Eb trumpet and guitar. You can, of course, play the guitar in your own time but you will not be taught it unless you pay for lessons. We don't have 'guitar' as a category BUT if you were a musician AND a talented guitarist you COULD if the boss decided play the guitar on band gigs IF you could be spared from you primary instruments. You'll notice the use of the capitalised words... there are many IF, BUT and POSSIBLY in the Band Service that we have to live with that you would have to live by.
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Mole
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Cheers,
I only asked about the guitar since it would show a more varied musical skill.
But my goal would be to be accepted as a bugler. I just wish to cover all possible options as any place in the RM Band service is better than none.
But at the audition would i be expected to already be proficeint at all 3 instruments.
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admin
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| Mole wrote: | | But at the audition would i be expected to already be proficeint at all 3 instruments. |
No, you have to show potential. If you look at the posts made by other people you'll see that. You should also look at the the link up there ^^^^^^ that says 'Thinking of joining'... there is a wealth of information there
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Mole
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I have look at it but certain things still seem unclear.
I think my best bet will be to book a meeting with the careers office.
Thanx for all the advice if i need anything else i will defo post again.
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Hornblower
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Good man Mole (assuming you are male!)
Proficiency is fairly subjective. It's OK to have a Grade 8 for example, but there are very many other aspects that have to be taken into consideration.
However, the more proficient you are the better the chance of success, as long as all other bases are covered.
I'd say you can obviously drum for example, but so can many others who are accepted for audition. Get hold of a bugle and learn to produce as nice a sound as possible. (I'll leave Rab to make comment on that!)
If some sort of tie-breaker is needed between two proficient drummers, the one who shows best potential on the bugle is gonna find themselves in a better position - once again, as long as all other requirements are fulfilled.
No one said it was gonna be easy and only the best are selected.
Give yourself the best chance of selection Mole, that's what the ones who make it do...
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Eric Hayward
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Circa 1952. Show me your fingers boy, now show me your teeth. Good, you will make a fine Bassoon player. That was Capt"POP" Talling RM on my first interview, in the front of the main building in East Barracks Deal. My responce was "WHATS A BASSOON" It then took me 30 years to get the 'Fine Bassoon' player in writing.
So Mole, from an OLDIE you would seem to be light years ahead of any of us who wanted to join all those years ago. But I think most of us would do it all again given the chance.
The best of luck to you.
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RAB
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| Hornblower wrote: | . Get hold of a bugle and learn to produce as nice a sound as possible. (I'll leave Rab to make comment on that!)
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...I couldn't possibly.... Someone might take offence...
MOLE
I'll be very honest and frank as usual. From time to time on here we get wind-up merchants looking for us to bite. (you'll learn all that terminology through time).. When I saw your user name, location and your requests re. a guitar playing bulger, I honestly thought you were perhaps one of our former colleagues 'at it'. Who knows? Maybe you are.
IF (another one) you are genuine and looking for a career in RMB, then I would be as pleased as punch to see you make it in whatever capacity.
Oh.... and I don't think you should feel insulted by being compared to Eric Clapton. If you're THAT good I'm sure you have a very bright musical future ahead of you. As for producing a nice sound from a bugle..???
Well I promised I wouldn't comment...
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bootybandy
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| Mole wrote: | | Im actually quite insulted by that since people audition with violin and yet that is not in the marching band. |
If you feel insulted by that little comment, then you might want to think again about joining up as a Bugler.
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Jimbo
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here here
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Errol
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| Wee Mac wrote: | A Bugler with a Uni Degree, that would be something.
Good luck, whatever you do! |
Diana Ross had 3 degrees and she never made it. 
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Wee Mac
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| Errol wrote: | | Wee Mac wrote: | A Bugler with a Uni Degree, that would be something.
Good luck, whatever you do! |
Diana Ross had 3 degrees and she never made it. |
Except, she had 2 Supremes. 
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medrummer
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| Mole wrote: | I have look at it but certain things still seem unclear.
I think my best bet will be to book a meeting with the careers office.
Thanx for all the advice if i need anything else i will defo post again. |
hello mole,
is that your real name? if it is it will save time when you join up as they won't have to issue you a nickname. We all have them, mine for instance was 'good looking bloke' but there are many others.
I would avoid the careers office or you might find yourself swimming around the mud at Lympestone with a view to attaining a green beret.
as there is a war on you know.
You are right about the Violin and auditions: People sometimes audition on the viledin but are then given a clarinet or cornet to suck on also.
The bugler branch is an interesting and diversive one. I auditioned as a bugler but because i had teeth that could remove barnacles from the bottom of a teacup and that I knew both verses of the national anthem, they said i should be a percussionist. [percussionist is like being a bugler in that you bang things but without all the man kissing ]
I am coming off the fence mole.. who are ?
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admin
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
I hope you'll be at Paul Beal's Top Table mate... your speeches are genius!
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medrummer
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| admin wrote: | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I hope you'll be at Paul Beal's Top Table mate... your speeches are genius! |
You are very kind to have noticed my meagre attempts at humour.. I have indeed the magic ticket and am just in the process of sorting out the admin so I can attend. Look forward to seeing you there!
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euphless
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I know this is wandering from the thread, but, would anyone attending Paul Beal's Top Table please give him my very best wishes for the future.
I left the Corp 28 years ago but served with Paul in Eastney & The Royal Yacht. Only God knows how long he has served.
Incidently, also in the Yacht band at that time were two young violin holders, Pete Best & Chris Davis.
Kind regards to anyone who remembers me, I will make it over for another reunion soon.
Ray (Lofty) Edwards
euph & 'cello
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